RE: What Can Candidates Learn From Romney’s Loss in 2008?
From the blog Caffeinated Thoughts, we examine a post from David Shedlock entitled What Can Candidates Learn From Romney’s Loss in 2008? Huckabee-supporter Shedlock reflects on why Romney lost that state’s caucus. This post is not so much a rebuttal of David’s points, but an alternate viewpoint, plus some reflection.

Gundersons: Nate, Luke, Aaron, Zach
David Shedlock is a native of Iowa and has an interesting viewpoint as to why Romney lost. I don’t agree with them entirely but will present a short summary of his four points:
- Romney ran an excellent radio ad. The problem is that the same exact ad ran continuously for months. The ad became extremely well known and people tired of it.
- Romney unwittingly introduced people to Huckabee, whom many never heard of, by doing negative a mailer about him. He might have done better to focus on himself than Huckabee.
- Though Romney won the Ames straw-poll he had to bus people in and entertain them, whereas Huckabee supporters drove themselves.
- At caucus time Romney brought in paid out-of-staters to speak for the campaign, and Huckabee had in-state real supporters speak for his campaign.
Points #1 and #2 might be true; I don’t know. If so, those two points can be easily remedied if Romney runs in 2012. The campaign landscape will be entirely different in 2012. For one, we have an incumbent Democrat in office who will more than likely be the primary target, rather than fellow GOP candidates.
Regarding point number 3: When you’ve been successful in fundraising, you use that money to be successful. That is the whole point to fundraising. The only ones that complain about it are the ones who can’t raise funds. Huckabee supporters drove because they had to. If Romney supporters didn’t have the transportation available they would have done the same. In 2012 my guess is that Huckabee will perhaps invest more into the event, and Romney perhaps a little less.
David’s fourth point is what actually spurred me to write this post because I have personal experience to refute his observations. From Caffeinated Thoughts David writes:
Finally, on caucus night, Newton, Iowa, the stage was set for our local caucuses. All precincts met at one school and then caucused in individual classrooms. After being appointed to a room, each of us listened to representatives of each candidate give a spiel. In our room, the spokesman for Romney had been brought in from Utah and he was apparently a politician from there. After he spoke, he left so that he could speak in other rooms. I spoke for Huckabee in our room (and of course, stayed, and cast my vote for Huckabee). Who are people more likely to vote for if they are on the fence? The guy who probably paid people to travel 2000 miles away (even if the spokespersons paid their own way, the impression left was otherwise) or the guy represented by your neighbor? I am quite sure this process played out in room after room, town after town, city after city.
Don’t be “quite sure” yet, David. You mention the spokesman had been “brought in” from Utah. It’s more likely he came in on his own volition. My brothers and I traveled in from Utah. Out of the several hundreds of volunteers we met from during those five days, we met exactly two who were from Utah, though there could have been a few more. We noted that on January 2nd, when we arrived at HQ, the parking lot was packed; there were many times more people than there were for New Year’s Day. We had to park way down the street and we arrived only half an hour after HQ opened. We particularly noticed the license plates. About half were from Iowa and the other half were from all over the country – several there were as far away as Washington. If their travel expenses were being paid for, I’m sure they would have flown instead of driving that far.
Again, we were not “brought in”, we just came. When the campaign asked for volunteers we responded that we would come and there was never any talk of compensation. Since money is tight for us, especially for my younger college-age brothers, we made it a budget trip – $1000. That was the total cost for the four of us to drive to Des Moines, four nights of staying in a hotel, plus food. Since we often worked in distant neighborhoods to go door-knocking, we also did considerable driving each day.
Come caucus day, HQ was in a flurry of activity as usual. About two hours prior to actual caucus time, we were approached by a staffer and asked if we would represent the campaign at four different precincts which were about one hour drive time, East on the I-80 freeway (for the closest one). The staffer had a list of various precincts through out the state. He showed us seven locations that did not have a “precinct captain”. The campaign had done a thorough job of contacting at least one supporter in virtually every precinct. From what I saw, the campaign sent out about 20 people, including us, to represent the campaign at various precincts where they did not have a designated captain. Twenty people may seem like a lot, but perhaps it’s not so much when you realize there are 1784 precincts in Iowa. Yes, there were out-of-state precinct captains, but they were not in as many precincts as David presumes.
So, when my brothers and I got the request to represent at four precincts we jumped on it! We had no more than five minutes to gather our stuff, get addresses and maps for our locations and split. They gave each of us a Team Mitt Staff t-shirt which we still wear proudly and frequently to this day. I was surprised that they had detailed precinct info and vote goals for each of us. They basically had attendance count info from previous caucuses, and from that they determined what it would take to win 50% of the votes in that group to ensure the win. For instance, Zach’s precinct only had an attendance of 16 last time, and his goal for votes was eight.
Where we went:
- Luke: Mayflower Community (rest home) in Grinnell, Poweshiek County (goal: 8 votes)
- Zach: Fairview Elementary in Grinnell, Poweshiek County (goal: 8 votes)
- Aaron: County Courthouse in Montezuma, Poweshiek County (goal: 17 votes)
- Nate: Iowa Valley Junior-Senior High School in Marengo, Iowa County (goal: 23 votes)
For my own fun, I made my own google map of the locations here.
What happened at our individual precincts may be what interests you the most. Each campaign representative was allowed three minutes to speak to our respective groups. We didn’t find this out until we got there, which flustered me a bit because I had planned for a little more time than that. My precinct had one representative for Ron Paul, Aaron’s had a rep from Fred Thompson’s campaign, and Luke and Zach’s precint had no other reps. Of our four precincts, Romney only won Aaron’s, and by only two votes. Aaron was fortunate enough in his precinct to have a full 15 minute Q&A, rather than the limited three minutes the rest of us got. My precinct lost by four votes to Huckabee, and Luke’s was close as well. Zach’s was a totally different story. Zach’s precinct goal was eight votes based on a turnout of 16 people. Zach lost his with 12 votes for Romney and 88 for Huckabee. It turns out that a pastor turned out with his whole congregation to caucus for the former minister.
Zach’s experience may be indicative of what happened on a larger scale in Iowa. I’m not accusing them of bloc voting against Romney because he’s Mormon, but more likely they voted for Huckabee because he was a former Pastor. Perhaps it’s a combination of the two. I know Huckabee supporters will dispute that it was a rare sectarian effort to promote Huck, saying it’s more likely that they supported him because he was more in-line with their ideals than Romney was. Well, if that were the case, did this same congregation turn out for Dole in ’96, or Bush in 2000? I seriously doubt there was a similar sudden uprising of religious support.
I must take care to ensure that I don’t think Romney lost because he’s a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Did it have an effect? Sure, some at least. But it’s very likely he would have lost anyway. Romney lost because he received less votes than McCain in the end. Period.
If Romney runs in 2012 I think odds are against him on winning that particular caucus, but there is no way he will skip it all together. He will put up a good fight. If he loses, he’ll move on to victories in other states. If he wins…. well, it’ll be clear sailing from there (relatively speaking). The Gunderson brothers will be back in Iowa in February of 2012. We hope to see many of you there!
~Nate Gunderson
Videos from our trip:
Part 1B:
Part 2:
You can see part 1A here. I didn’t include it because it’s mostly us being silly on our drive out to Iowa (though it does have a cameo of the Mitt Bobble-Head). I created the videos originally just for personal memories.
More pictures and recap from the Iowas trip can be found here and here.
Email This Post
View Printer-Friendly Version










BTW- I haven’t been able to proof read yet, but I have to go. If any Team MRC members see some grammar errors before I can get back to it in a few hours can you please fix them?
Thanks.
I noticed a couple as I read through–I’d be willing to give you guys a hand with that if you’d like. I blog and write extensively.
@Graham
I’m sure there are. There always are. Even after proofreading. I’ll get to it later.
Curious Graham, where do you blog? Got a link?
This David Shedlock guy is a bit ridiculous anyway (as are many Huckabee supporters). He was arguing the other day that Romney was unprincipled, and not to be trusted with the abortortion issue because he endorsed Meg Whitman in California. Then he implied that Romney would appoint pro-choice (I’m sorry, baby killers) justices to the supreme Court if elected to President. I was glad to see so many comments backing up Romney.
Nate, great read about the intrepid Gunderson guys caucusing in Iowa! Sounds like good hard work and lots of fun. That was some road trip!
Mitt has said that he learned so much by going through a presidential campaign. Should he decide to run next time around, I have no doubt his experience will serve him well.
Nate,
Thanks for linking and addressing my post. I think we have “met” on Rightosphere before. You have made many fine points and I have no beefs with any except the conclusion you draw.
You wrote: I know Huckabee supporters will dispute that it was a rare sectarian effort to promote Huck, saying it’s more likely that they supported him because he was more in-line with their ideals than Romney was. Well, if that were the case, did this same congregation turn out for Dole in ‘96, or Bush in 2000? I seriously doubt there was a similar sudden uprising of religious support.
First of all, neither Bob Dole or Bush in 2000 were strong on the life of unborn chldren. Bush was better in 2004 actually. If you want to compare look at the big turnout for Pat Robertson in 1988 when he shocked everybody by coming in a close second.
Second, SBV, the post you were referring to is here: http://caffeinatedthoughts.com/?p=7680
I do believe that endorsing someone who believes in funding child murder is an unprincipled position. Arguing that both candidates are pro-child killing doesn’t help give confidence that he will pick a pro-life justice (especially if he faces a Democratic Senate). Your mocking “sorry, baby killers” comment is evidence my post was spot on. Neither you (nor Romney, apparently) really believe abortion is murder. Fine, he should say so.
David Shedlock should consider decaf. Very few in the GOP aren’t stronger pro-lifers than Democrats. Both Bushes had their issues, but they were both pro-life. And George W. Bush got to name 2 strongly pro-life justices to SCOTUS. And speaking of Pat Robertson, I doubt he would’ve come out so strongly for nominally pro-choice Rudy Giuliani if he didn’t have confidence in his desire to nominate strong originalist judges. President Romney will be 180 degrees more on the side of life than President Obama, who while a Senator, voted against a bill that would’ve allowed the rescue of a child who’d survived the partial birth abortion procedure. Mitt Romney is the GOP’s and conservative’s best hope in 2012 to undue the nearly irreperable damage done to this country by Obama-Reid-Pelosi.
@Bill
I agree with many of your comments, Bill. Most Republicans are stronger than most Dems on life issue. But my question still stands. Will Mitt Romney speak the truth about Meg Whitman? Will he admit that she supports the murder of unborn children? Or will he ignore this? (By the way, the same applies to Newt Gingrich and anybody who endorses supporters of child killing. Can they say “I support this candidate even though they believe it is okay to murder unborn children”. The same applies to Huckabee and Palin.
@ Gunderson Bros
The videos of you guys are terrific! Four guys on the road with a Mitt bobble head…loved it. Thanks for the behind-the-scenes look at the Iowa Caucus work and for your comMITTment to Romney.
Romney 2012.
Shedlock, give it a break! Hyperbole like “child killing” is bait meant to trap and ensnare. You twist the whole issue. And besides what difference does it make in California against Jerry Brown.
Meg is the only way to stop Brown and protect life, traditional marriage, and families. A vote for third party will be a vote for Brown, shudder to think. Meg is the only one who can beat him.
Besides no decent person supports murder and Meg and Mitt are more than decent, they are upstanding, wonderful, unselfish, and devoted to their country. They are profamily through and through. Support murder? Get off your high horse. You win no converts with hateful accusations.
Education of our children regarding chasity before marriage, and fidelity after marriage will do more for the abortion issue than any law could. Just my own opinion, of course.
Lori, it’s only hyperbole if it isn’t a baby. You have no right to call yourself prolife if you don’t think killing innocent babies is murder.
“Meg is the only way to stop Brown and protect life…Besides no decent person supports murder and Meg and Mitt are more than decent, they are upstanding, wonderful, unselfish, and devoted to their country.
You are blind and deceived. “Meg” supports using taxpayer dollars to murder children. You support Meg. What does this mean except that you support child murder? Do you relaize how twisted your logic is? Mitt and Meg are decent people, they would never support child murder. What they support is abortion, therefore abortion can’t be murder because Mitt and Meg support it.
They are profamily because they destroy it? Why do you hate children so much? You whitewashed tomb! Repent and believe in Jesus.
Sorry Shedlock. Not buying it. The entire abortion issue revolves for most people around the question of when life begins, when does the life form become a child, to some when does it become a viable child. The only child killers are those who advocate, even promote partial term abortion as Obama does. I grant you that there are a segment of those who would practice the murder of viable unborn children through partial birth abortion but they are not Republicans. Never would Meg or Mitt advocate that. The country doesn’t even support that extreme view.
And there are those times when one must choose between two lives, which live to save and which to sacrifice in order to save a life that without such choice is to end two lives. Its a hard place to be to save one or lose two and no one thinks it is murder to prioritize the living over the unborn. To call it murder is hyperbole my friend. Is self-defense, murder? No.
Romney governed pro-life on every related decision. He stood up for life. Meg will too. You call me blind and deceived, I think you are the one spreading deception on this issue.
You my friend are the hater, not me, not Meg, not Mitt. Your name calling betrays you. You elevate yourself to call anyone to repentance with such self-aggrandizing. I find your response, vile, and extremely offensive. You will get no converts with such an attitude. Try to reason without the name calling, the hyperbole, the calls to repentance without authority. I can be reasonable. Can you?